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As I said, there is a lot more where this came from, on individual letters and their uses in English, on the sounds and their dfferent spellings, differences between British and American - all done with my accent system, as an alternative to the IPA - though of course I'd be happy to include explanatory IPA symbols. It's a fact that many people, foreign learners and native speakers, find the IPA unhelpful and annoying (just ask [[User:Hayford Peirce]]!). [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 13:17, 7 November 2007 (CST) | As I said, there is a lot more where this came from, on individual letters and their uses in English, on the sounds and their dfferent spellings, differences between British and American - all done with my accent system, as an alternative to the IPA - though of course I'd be happy to include explanatory IPA symbols. It's a fact that many people, foreign learners and native speakers, find the IPA unhelpful and annoying (just ask [[User:Hayford Peirce]]!). [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 13:17, 7 November 2007 (CST) | ||
:: on library, both r's get pronounced. see [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=library] [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 20:35, 15 November 2007 (CST) | :: on library, both r's get pronounced. see [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=library] [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 20:35, 15 November 2007 (CST) | ||
:::I can't argue with an expert, but I *still* think the first para. should read the way I first had it, maybe with some qualifiers, such as "The F in "often" and the L in "salmon" are *generally* (or some qualifier) considered mispronounced if they are heard; conversely, it is generally considered incorrect *not* to pronounce the R in February and Library." It depends, of course, on one's philosophy: I'm a Second Edition Merriam Websters International Unabridged out-and-out proscriptivist; Ro, evidently, is a Third Edition decriptivist.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:16, 15 November 2007 (CST) | |||
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This is an excerpt from an unpublished treatise I wrote. I have put in the IPA in a couple of examples. I'll leave it to someone else to remove the accents, should they wish. Ro Thorpe 17:13, 26 October 2007 (CDT)
As I said, there is a lot more where this came from, on individual letters and their uses in English, on the sounds and their dfferent spellings, differences between British and American - all done with my accent system, as an alternative to the IPA - though of course I'd be happy to include explanatory IPA symbols. It's a fact that many people, foreign learners and native speakers, find the IPA unhelpful and annoying (just ask User:Hayford Peirce!). Ro Thorpe 13:17, 7 November 2007 (CST)
- on library, both r's get pronounced. see [1] Richard Jensen 20:35, 15 November 2007 (CST)
- I can't argue with an expert, but I *still* think the first para. should read the way I first had it, maybe with some qualifiers, such as "The F in "often" and the L in "salmon" are *generally* (or some qualifier) considered mispronounced if they are heard; conversely, it is generally considered incorrect *not* to pronounce the R in February and Library." It depends, of course, on one's philosophy: I'm a Second Edition Merriam Websters International Unabridged out-and-out proscriptivist; Ro, evidently, is a Third Edition decriptivist.... Hayford Peirce 21:16, 15 November 2007 (CST)