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Not sure how to do it, but this article should probably be redirected to Roman Catholic Church, or vice versa. | Not sure how to do it, but this article should probably be redirected to Roman Catholic Church, or vice versa. | ||
--[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 01:14, 14 March 2007 (CDT) | --[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 01:14, 14 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
Actually, it occurs to me that the Roman Catholic Church is one of several Churches with in Catholicism (including the Byzantine Catholic Church, for example) so never mind on the previous comment.--[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 02:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT) | :Actually, it occurs to me that the Roman Catholic Church is one of several Churches with in Catholicism (including the Byzantine Catholic Church, for example) so never mind on the previous comment.--[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 02:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
Yea, there are some problems with this. Catholicism is a perspective, a defined body of theology and a philosophy from many POVs. The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, the Oriental Catholic Church are all Catholic. Needs a little more clarity on the matter. [[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 08:11, 17 March, 2007 (EPT) | ::Yea, there are some problems with this. Catholicism is a perspective, a defined body of theology and a philosophy from many POVs. The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, the Oriental Catholic Church are all Catholic. Needs a little more clarity on the matter. [[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 08:11, 17 March, 2007 (EPT) | ||
Well, I agree the scope of the article needs to be much larger than I've laid out here... As for POV, I also agree that Catholicism can be viewed from many different aspect. But when people talk about Catholicism they are talking about what's really a well defined group. And more importantly a group that considers itself a group (more specifically, a Church). Since that's the internal logic that Catholicism applies to itself, I suggest that that be what we try to present here.--[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 20:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT) | :::Well, I agree the scope of the article needs to be much larger than I've laid out here... As for POV, I also agree that Catholicism can be viewed from many different aspect. But when people talk about Catholicism they are talking about what's really a well defined group. And more importantly a group that considers itself a group (more specifically, a Church). Since that's the internal logic that Catholicism applies to itself, I suggest that that be what we try to present here.--[[User:Adam P. Verslype|Adam P. Verslype]] 20:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT) | ||
::::There have been (word to the wise) voluminous discussions on Wikipedia about the appropriate terminology to use when discussing this subject. It seems that there will always be some ambiguity regardless of which terms we use. Some people use "catholicism" to refer to any Christian group that believes in "one holy, catholic, and apostolic church", i.e. Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, etc., while others treat it specifically as the name for the organisation headed by the Bishop of Rome. Some consider "Roman Catholic Church" to be offensive, while others see it as the neutral name of said body. Some use "Roman Catholic Church" to refer to the entire body headed by the Pope, including the Eastern Catholics, while others use it to refer specifically to the Latin church. It would be desireable to keep in mind these potential pitfalls as Citizendium makes its decisions on how to name things.—[[User:Nat Krause|Nat Krause]] 00:28, 28 March 2007 (CDT) | |||
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Not sure how to do it, but this article should probably be redirected to Roman Catholic Church, or vice versa. --Adam P. Verslype 01:14, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
- Actually, it occurs to me that the Roman Catholic Church is one of several Churches with in Catholicism (including the Byzantine Catholic Church, for example) so never mind on the previous comment.--Adam P. Verslype 02:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
- Yea, there are some problems with this. Catholicism is a perspective, a defined body of theology and a philosophy from many POVs. The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church, the Oriental Catholic Church are all Catholic. Needs a little more clarity on the matter. Thomas Simmons 08:11, 17 March, 2007 (EPT)
- Well, I agree the scope of the article needs to be much larger than I've laid out here... As for POV, I also agree that Catholicism can be viewed from many different aspect. But when people talk about Catholicism they are talking about what's really a well defined group. And more importantly a group that considers itself a group (more specifically, a Church). Since that's the internal logic that Catholicism applies to itself, I suggest that that be what we try to present here.--Adam P. Verslype 20:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
- There have been (word to the wise) voluminous discussions on Wikipedia about the appropriate terminology to use when discussing this subject. It seems that there will always be some ambiguity regardless of which terms we use. Some people use "catholicism" to refer to any Christian group that believes in "one holy, catholic, and apostolic church", i.e. Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, etc., while others treat it specifically as the name for the organisation headed by the Bishop of Rome. Some consider "Roman Catholic Church" to be offensive, while others see it as the neutral name of said body. Some use "Roman Catholic Church" to refer to the entire body headed by the Pope, including the Eastern Catholics, while others use it to refer specifically to the Latin church. It would be desireable to keep in mind these potential pitfalls as Citizendium makes its decisions on how to name things.—Nat Krause 00:28, 28 March 2007 (CDT)