Talk:Applied Consciousness Sciences/Archive 1

First impressions

This article needs revision, but before working on it another issue should be resolved: It seems to be highly (self-)promotional. In a first Internet search I could only find a net of sites referencing each other. Unless there is clear evidence that this field (and its name) are acknowledged by the scientific community this article may have to be removed or completely rewritten to show the true (speculative) character of its topic. Peter Schmitt 09:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Peter, I've rewritten the article in such a way that it's clear that ACS isn't a science as per the definition of the scientific community. It is however considered a holistic science. Something that might not be accepted by the scientific community, but there is a large group of citizens that do accept this. A good example of a holistic science approach being accepted by modern science is Mindfulness. Under 'Research & Development' I've explained what sets a holistic science orientation apart from conventional science. Additionally I've made all the links point to the local site. Could you have a look again and let me know if this is more in line with the Citizendium guidelines? --Carlo Monsanto 16:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Carlo, for your changes. However, they did not address my main concerns -- the promotional nature of the article and the lack of an external perspective. What is the view from "outside", i.e., by others other than those promoting it and offering courses on it? --Peter Schmitt 17:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I will get others involved to better reflect this. Homework! --Carlo Monsanto 19:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It's always baffled me that psychology has never <!> considered mental processes (i.e., consciousness) as part of their field of study. If you can't measure it, it can't be a science! Holy smokes!

This seems like a really recent phenomenon, but what about the site and situation studies of religious experience (Leary and Alpert, 1961?)? What about transpersonal psychology? Seems like there's lots of overlap there. Russell D. Jones 20:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Russell, thank you for your feedback. Actually psychology does consider mental processes, but it looks at it as if it's a localized object that can be studied. Mental processes are nonlocal or intangible and thoughts may be local. But, there is so much more than only mental processes when we investigate the subjective. We choose not to look at the content of experience, which religious experience and transpersonal psychology refer to, but we guide in expanding the basis from where we perceive any experience. This can empower people, irrespective of the context in which they develop themselves. We don't offer a complete system with fixed conventions and protocols, but we offer an open system that anyone can contribute to. ACS can be seen as another basis for learning. It empowers learners to breach their own barriers and raise their own awareness by perceiving from a broader spectrum of sensitivity. For all of these reasons I'd like to remove it from the category of psychology or any other kind of therapeutic intervention and leave it in Education and Consciousness Studies. --Carlo Monsanto 12:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC)