User talk:Chris Day

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Notes to self

• Fix move cluster
• Write proposal for subgroups
• {{Lemma}} idea
• optional photo credit
• Article task and notification list
• Metadata edits always current so should tie speedydelete etc to that one page. This will get around the maintenance categories often being out of date.

• Supernova [r]: Please do not use this term in your topic list, because there is no single article for it. Please substitute a more precise term. See Nova (astronomy)#Supernova (disambiguation) for a list of available, more precise, topics. Please add a new usage if needed.

See - /Notes to self

Need to figure out the disconnects between the rare earths elemental classes and the template:periodic. Did uranium, but others need fixing too. See Uranium/Elemental Class

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Category:Incomplete Move

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Definitions of redirects

When I previewed, all seemed to work as I intended. Clearly, they didn't for you. What were the symptoms? Was I running into some restriction on non-alphanumeric characters? Howard C. Berkowitz 22:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Just went to the top of the article rather than the appropriate section. Chris Day 22:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

What do I need to do differently? I had, I thought, written REDIRECT [[Article title#Section heading]] Howard C. Berkowitz 22:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You are not wrong. But you have a special character in the three most recent cases. While "#Sarnoff's Law" and "#Sarnoff.E2.80.99s_Law" are look the same when viewed in a hyperlink on the screen they do not behave the same in a redirect, at least not in my browser. The latter redirects to the subsection, as we want, but the former stalls at the top of the article. Chris Day 04:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Nutritional medicine

If you are going to redirect, why not to the more specific level of the subheading "Nutritional medical techniques"? I suppose that subhead could be renamed "nutritional medicine", although at some point, it will be a full article. Howard C. Berkowitz 19:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I just used what was already there. i agree it should go to the more specific heading. Chris Day 19:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

the importance of adding an asterisk

Thanks, Chris! I still baffled by all this, however. And how that single asterisk turns everything right, is a pure mystery to me! But thanks again! (Did you see my "cri de coeur" the Forum?) Hayford Peirce 19:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

On the wiki one line break is not seen as a line break at all. However any type of indent will then force a line break. If you want a line break without an indent you will need to have two line breaks. I suspect this strange arrangement is to allow code, such as </ref> to exist on its own line (for clarity) without actually causing line breaks in the text. Chris Day 19:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help in various places. I have printed your Forum reply and will study it; will also study your various moves on the various article pages and try to figure out what has been done and why. Eventually, if I can grasp things for myself, I'll see if maybe I can make the Related Articles instructions clearer. (I remember when I got my first MS-DOS computer in 1984 and it came with an enormous binder from Microsoft with so-called instructions in it -- I was literally reduced to tears at one point. Even a year or so later, when I had become pretty adept at using DOS, the friggin' book was *still* a mystery!) Hayford Peirce 20:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Are those to be earnest asterisks? Howard C. Berkowitz 20:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

An example of why one line break alone does not interrupt the text on a wiki:

If I write:

Organic chemicals<ref>An important reference here</ref> are the basis for life as we know it.

or

Organic chemicals<ref>An important reference here
</ref> are the basis for life as we know it.

They will both appear like the following text in the wiki:

Organic chemicals are the basis for life as we know it.

Hmmm...one can visit San Francisco, not Silicon Valley, and infer from some observation that silicone may be the basis for some life. Must be those silicon-oxygen bonds. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You must be thinking of Carol Doda and the Condor Club.... Hayford Peirce 17:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Two of San Francisco's greatest landmarks -- which we visited on honeymoon #2. Howard C. Berkowitz 18:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I visited it around '65 with my Tahitian wife. Did you see, many years later, the absolutely grotesque story of what happened one night at the club? The 350-lb manager and one of the little strippers were having fun after hours, strung out on coke, I guess, on top of the piano that mounted up to the ceiling on some sort of hoisting device. She was lying on top of him. The piano got set into motion; she was crushed to death between the ceiling and the guy. Really weird. For years I tried to cast a story around it that I could sell to EQMM or AHMM but could never find the handle.... PS in French, the club would be the Con d'Or, which has an entirely different, yet somewhat apropos, meaning. Hayford Peirce 18:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The dancers were so delighted at being visited for newlyweds that they were buying us drinks. I knew enough to limit my intake, and also had the body mass to metabolize them. Eventually, I am told, I was the only man ever invited into the ladies' room of the club, but it was a rescue mission.

Unfortunately, the next morning, she did not take my advice that Eggs Benedict are not good things when one is hung over. Howard C. Berkowitz 20:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

But I was there

In Cardiff last year for the Grand Sslam match against France! Ticket was a Christmas present... of course before the season had started. :-)Gareth Leng 22:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

AIS disambiguation

It seems amusing to think of androgen insensitivity and gender in the context of commercial fisheries, in which the gender of some of the catches can be a rather pliable thing. You are right, however, to disambiguate the abbreviation, regardless of how ambiguous the gender of some marine invertebrates may be. :>; Howard C. Berkowitz 18:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments about the sub-workgroup proposal in your User talk:Chris Day/sandbox1

Chris, I just want to let you know that I have posted comments in your User talk:Chris Day/sandbox1. Milton Beychok 23:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: your note on my talk page

>Sekhar, Just to note that the approval process is not exactly transparent. It would be great if you >have any ideas on how to make it more user friendly. Your NMR article looks great. Chris Day 16:21, >17 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I could have just ASKED someone. But I am reticent by nature and I tried to find the procedure for nomination in the 'dive in' instructions.

The procedure seems fine (now that I know what to do). It may be helpful to others if you could add the following to the end of the 'article mechanics' section in 'dive in' "....leave a message on those editors' talk pages and invite them to take a look and see if they might be ready to approve the article. You can also use the mailing lists to see if you can get others to take a look. When you all agree, then use the metadata template! ....D. Matt Innis 15:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC) " Thanks for the encouragement and help.

Sekhar Talluri 18:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Darwin's Health

It seems odd to describe the health of a dead person, pretty much a one line article (lol). Have you considered retitling of this article? Darwin's mystery illness? What killed Darwin? or something like that? David E. Volk 21:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the title is final. It was a title that Larry made as a stop gap to stop the topic dominating the main article. Chris Day 21:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

On the bright side, one can safely say that it will be never necessary to deliver bad news about declining health to a corpse. True story -- we had a very good surgical pathologist at Georgetown, who, knowing a patient was scheduled for a biopsy, would sometimes visit with the intent of getting insight from history and physical. Some patients didn't know what pathologists did, so didn't mind. Others really understood and liked the idea.

We had a couple, however, leap out of bed and run down the hall screaming I don't want an autopsy! Howard C. Berkowitz 21:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

except for the untimely dealth of the patient, the procedure went extremely well.

David E. Volk 21:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Seen this?

• Darwin's Gift electronic flip-book of essays written for The Lancet  :-) Gareth Leng 11:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hayford Peirce internet link

Hi Chris, I just discovered a few days ago that the link no longer worked; evidently it was at some sort of AOL storage and, being AOL, they suddenly just folded up that particular shop with no warning to anyone. I've emailed the guy who created the original site asking if he has founded a new one, but have had no reply. :( Hayford Peirce 16:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Template

Chris, in Rubidium I see °C in the wrong font. It is hidden in a template so I cannot change it.--Paul Wormer 16:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

It should be a regular-sized roman capital, now it is too small. --Paul Wormer 17:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

It is OK now, thanks. --Paul Wormer 18:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Never before having thought of warfarin as a source of improv comedy

I was persuaded otherwise when you managed to connect it to the Great Depression, and wait, with bated breath, to see if you also connect serotonin agonists to the Great Depression.

Nevertheless, the trend continues with your last tweak; not many people can do a bibliographically correct link to Link. Howard C. Berkowitz 20:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

1. P-KR3

I noticed that one of your links in the "Chess Strategy/Related Articles" list was "Opening (chess)". There already exists a page at "Chess opening". What's your pleasure -- should the article be renamed and moved, or should the link in "Related Articles" be changed to point to the existing article? Bruce M.Tindall 21:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. (It's not my naming convention, by the way -- "Chess opening" was already there, and I think it was originally titled by Jonathan Bashears.) Bruce M.Tindall 21:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ideal gas law approval just finished by Matt

Chris, I note that:

• You had to jog the protected version of the article to get it to display in the workgroups (which you also had to do recently on another approved) article. Does that mean that, from now on, you will have to jog protected versions of approved articles? Is there not some way that Matt can do that when he protects the approved article so that it all gets done at one time?

• The protected version lists the workgroup and subgroup categories at the bottom of the main article page. However, the bottom of the main page of the draft article does not show the categories. Instead it displays "Contents" and "Tags" and most of them are red ... the only blue ones ar "All content" and "Chemical Engineering tag". Why is that?

Confused as to why the workgroup and subgroup categories don't also show at bottom of the draft main article page ??? Milton Beychok 01:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

First, no the jogging only needs to occur if the metadata is set to approved AFTER the article is protected. We must set up a protocol for approval that has the final edits and protection being on the article page.

Second, I striped the draft page of the categories since they served no purpose. The approved categories replicated the draft categories. Also every article name in the category ended with "/Draft" that is unsightly, so there is a very good reason to stick with the approved categories on the main article. Also bear in mind our readers will read the main article. Historically the old /Draft categories was actually a kludge solution to allow recent changes on the draft version to be tracked. However we now have the tags which are far more efficient and are used to track all change in any given workgroup seen by clicking on "recent changes" in the workgroup (or subgroup) page header. If you would like the categories visible it will be possible to have them at the top of each draft page. That might even be preferable?

Of course, I am only one user, but I do think making the categories visible somewhere on the Draft main article page is desirable. When I click on one of the "Tags" (e.g., Engineering tag), I am presented with a verrrry, verrrry long list of articles including all the cluster subpages ... when all I want is a list of the article main pages like I am presented with when I click on a category (e.g., Engineering Workgroup). I repeat that is my single opinion. Milton Beychok 04:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Lastly, the tag categories are still red links (and the content ones) because we have not systematically populated those pages. Hold off on that since I need to tweak the workgroup template so that the appropriate text appears at the top of each page. The ones that have been done, notably the Category:Biology tag, have been set up manually, rather than automatically. I'll fix this soon. i am still trying to figure out how the tag categories can be 'hidden' since they are only meant to be utilized by the workgroup "recent changes" option, not by users for browsing. Chris Day 04:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

two baffling items that I'm trying to REMOVE the delete status from....

Hi Chris,

I just cleaned up the entire Articles to Delete page -- all the articles except one or two had had Requests for Deletion from various Editors in the relevant Workgroups. A couple of them I reclassified, I think, and are still in existence.

Two of them, however, baffle me. Larry wondered about deleting them a long time ago but they look relevant to me and have been worked on. What I WANT to do is to simply remove any Delete Request notice. But I can't find a request *anywhere* -- I have looked over and over everywhere. And I inserted a null, saved. Removed it, resaved it, and that didn't change anything.

On the http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:Articles_for_deletion page, those two items *still* show up! It's driving me crazy!

Help!

Hayford

Thank you for the sandbox information!

Bruce M.Tindall 00:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

About the Talk Page Etiquette

The MediaWiki source code Matt and you wrote is protected so we peons can't make any changes ... not that I am complaining, because I think you did a superlative job.

I would only suggest that the third column (titled Replies should be indented:) might be better if it read: Indent beneath the comment you are replying to by using colons :, ::, ::: and so forth as more replies are added.

My suggestion adds 5 words but it avoids inferring that replies go beneath all of the other comments. Milton Beychok 10:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

And it doesn't really change the appearance, either, since the second instruction, about using the "+ tab" already takes up more vertical space. Hayford Peirce 16:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm always open to input. :) Chris Day 16:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Templates, particularly infoboxes

Hi Chris, I am writing to you because you deleted Template:Template doc which I was about to use via optic tectum. I am considering to move over several articles on brain parts and species from WP. Some of the templates used in there appear to be helpful to me but I did not find guidelines on the principles used here to distinguish between templates that are desirable and those that are not. Please take a look at optic tectum (and xenopus laevis which I have stopped working on for the same template-related reasons). Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 11:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I forget why i deleted it. I think it was because the structure in WP was a mess. There was a lot of history with adhoc changes, many redirects for example. It seemed better for us to start from scratch. Let me look at the details again and I'/ll try to build what you need. Chris Day 16:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Help!!! At a loss about moving

I want to move the Piping cluster to Piping (engineering) and I am at a loss because:

• The Move Cluster link that used to be on Talk pages (I think) is no longer to be found
• Clicking on the Move tab at top of the article main page bring up the move page with radio buttons which now include an option for moving the Talk page and all the subpages along with the main page. But the move instructions have always said move all the subpages and the Metadata page before moving the main page and the talk page.

So I am confused. When do I move the Metadata page? Before or after I use those radio buttons that will move the main page plus the Talk page plus all the subpages??? Milton Beychok 22:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Good question. I have not figured out the best way given we can now move all the subpages and talk pages at once with the article. I suspect the best choice is to move the template first along with changing the pagename field in the template. Then move the original article (make sure you choose move associated talk page and move all associated subpages). I need to rewrite that move template as it is obsolete since the mediawiki was upgraded (the reason for the absence of the move clister link at the talk page). Chris Day 22:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Chris, the system would not accept moving the Metadata template first. It kept telling me there was no such page as Piping (engineering) even though I had revised the template to have the renamed title and abc.

So I went ahead and clicked on the Move tab at page top, and used the radio buttons option (that displayed on the Move page) to move the Main page and all of the subpages ... which the system did perfectly including the definition.

I then tried to re-edit the old Metadata template, but the system still would not accept that. So then, I just created a new Metadata template with the re-named article title. All is now well. In summary, I had to first move the main page and all the subpages. Then I had to create a new Metadata template.

I note that all of the old subpages still exist and are re-directed to the new subpages. I think that those old subpages should be deleted, don't you? Now that we have a disambiguation page, Piping (disambiguation), which is why the rename/move had to be made, those old subpages are going to be confusing since they appear in the pop-up menu when someone searches for Piping using the search box in the left-hand navigation section. Milton Beychok 00:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Mea culpa, mea culpa, and mea hypocaffeinosis

Apropos the deletion in EAS -- I fumblefingered and tried to explain in another note. Very insomniac night, and now I am caffeine deprived. If you can make sense of the logs and not lose the detailed information I did put in on more questionable allegations by a study author, feel free.

What happened is that I was doing a lengthy entry, didn't save, checked the watchlist, saw your comment, answered it, then went back, saw the other edit window, without engaging brain, saved. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Environmental Engineering subgroup

Chris, while we are waiting for the subgroup proposal in the new proposal queue, do you think we could go ahead and create an Environmental Engineering subgroup? I could populate it immediately with at least 6-7 articles including 1 approved article. What do you think? Milton Beychok 19:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

At worst we have to undo it. I'd say go ahead, lets' be optimistic here. Chris Day 19:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Great! Now, how do we do it? If you will set up the subgroup banner and whatever else is needed code-wise, I will immediately get those 6-7 articles into it by making the needed changes in their Metadata pages. We already have an Environmental engineering article that is needed as the main article. Milton Beychok 20:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Need your magic touch

Chris, I have added the Environmental Engineering subgroup to the Metadata templates of these five approved articles: Accidental release source terms, Air pollution dispersion modeling, Air pollution dispersion terminology, Air pollutant concentrations and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. All of them now list the the Environmental Engineering subgroup among the categories at the bottom of the protected Main Article as they should. But:

• Neither of the five protected approved articles or their draft articles are listed in the Environmental Engineering subgroup ... not in the Articles section nor in the Approved section. They need your magic touch (since I can't add a null space into the protected aricle).

• None of the five approved articles list the Chemical Engineering subgroup or the Environmental Engineering subgroup list as a category in small font at the top of the Main Article page of the draft article.

• In fact, none of the 18 approved articles in the Chemical Engineering subgroup list the Chemical Engineering subgroup as a category in small font at the top of the Main Article page of the draft article.

Can you apply your magic touch to the above listed 5 Environmental Engineering subgroup articles and to the 18 Chemical Engineering subgroup articles?

I know that you have notified Matt that he needs to revise his approval protocol but that doesn't help with the existing approved articles unless someone goes back to apply their magic touch to all of them. Perhaps what is needed is a robot to do that?? Milton Beychok 22:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I just added 5 more articles to the Environmental Engineering subgroup. They are articles not yet approved, so there were no problems with them. I just used that workaround of a adding a null space to get all of them to display in the Environmental Engineering subgroup after I edited the 5 Metadata templates. Milton Beychok 22:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes these are problems for the subgroup concept. On this scale it is little trouble but in the future when we have more approved article we need a way to address this. Chris Day 01:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

You are definitely a genius!! Everything seems to be working correctly now. I checked about 7 of the articles and they were all okay. Also, all of the draft and all of the non-draft articles are now showing correctly as they should in the Environmental Engineering subgroup. Now, I think I will try to draw a logo for the Environmental Engineering subgroup banner as I did for the Chemical Engineering subgroup. Thanks mucho again, Milton Beychok 03:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Some clean-up-the-workgroup questions

Hi Chris,

Trying to do some work on my poor neglected subpage and I've run into some snags. Well, maybe they're not snags at all, just things I don't understand.

1. At the bottom of the main article, there are Categories; I notice some red links: hobbies Content | Hobbies tag | Dogs tag | Dogs content. What are these and why are the red, i.e. should I be placing something there? I assume they are generated by Metadata? Why?

1. I figured out why Dog Editors was red even though I added myself to it. But, the category Dogs approved at the subgroup page is red, even though it has content (so I put a sentence in it. Delete that if it's wrong). Also a couple of approved dog articles do not show up in Dogs Approved.
2. What is the title 'All Articles' for?

Aleta Curry 01:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, one mystery solved. All articles was a bold title rather than a link because I was here (Category:Dogs Subgroup) not here (CZ:Dogs Subgroup). I think this CZ:Dogs Subgroup is home, but I don't exactly know what the other one is. I mean, that's where I was when I edited the editors category, and it worked. I gather I should really be editing from CZ:Dogs Subgroup Aleta Curry 01:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, CZ:Dogs Subgroup is home (equivalent to CZ:Hobbies Workgroup). The other one, (Category:Dogs Subgroup), is the category where all the articles in the subgroup are listed (equivalent to Category:Hobbies Workgroup). Does this make sense? Chris Day 02:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Approval of Evidence-based medicine

Okay, I changed the metadata first, then the article pages. Did that work better? I'm still not clear what was not showing up correctly? D. Matt Innis 02:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, what you just did worked fine. The problem before was that the approved category was getting added to the article after it was locked since the change in the metadata was toward the end of the process. Then, as no one could edit the locked article, the categories would not be updated (jogged, re-registered, whatever the technical term is?). I've been thinking about this issue and it's becoming a real problem.

Another potential solution, other than the script method I mentioned before, is to have ALL categories on the metadata page and have links to categories at the top of article pages, similar to what we currently have on the draft pages. That would require a category on the metadata template page to show up in a category with the articles name 'only' rather than "Template:Article name/Metadata". I suspect this is possible as categories on our talk pages only show up with the article name. I'll need to do some research.

The advantage of such a system is that edits to the metadata template designed to change the clusters categories would always become current since the categories are all registered by an edit to the metadata template. I'm not sure I'm being very coherent here. Chris Day 02:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Holy smokes, Chris, you must get headaches! I'm glad you can keep it all straight. I hope you know you can't die.. without cloning yourself :-D. Matt Innis 02:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to check into Roslin, along with Gareth. Chris Day 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hehe.

Concerning your problem with the cats and considering the robotics of the approval process. Would it be easier to create a bot that does my part and your part so you don't have to change the categories to the metadata template? D. Matt Innis 15:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

That's the other option along with jogging every subpage after any change to the metadata. However, this is not very elegant and creates more background work for the servers. Chris Day 18:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Myron C. Lake article

if I'm going to be subject to changes like that, i.e., tearing out a whole section, then I'm outta here. I had that sh*t at Wikipedia, and I won't have it here. The gallery was one thing, but the entire appendix is unacceptable. lemme know, cause i will not finish the article if i have to put up with this again. S. W. Kolterman 06:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

S.W. Kolterman, please believe me when I say that Chris is really one of the most helpful and gracious people we have in Citizendium. I guess he assumed you understood the subpage system that is used here. It is one of the differences between us and WP. For example:

• We have no "See also" section. Instead, we have a "Related Articles" subpage.
• We have no "External links" section. Instead, we have an "External links" subpage.
• We have no "Bibliography section". Instead, we have a "Bibliography" subpage.

There also many other subpages, like "Tutorial", "Video", "Catalogs", etc. Chris simply moved your Appendix material into an "Addendum" subpage.

So please, shake hands with Chris ... and please stay here. It is all just a simple misunderstanding. I read your article and enjoyed it very much. Milton Beychok 08:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Look at my sandbox for small image that could be used for the Environmental Engineering subgroup banner

Chris, could the image on my sandbox be used in the banner for the Environmental Engineering subgroup page banner? It is meant to represent clean air, clean water and clean land. You can view it at User:Milton Beychok/Sandbox. If you don't like it, it won't hurt my feelings. What do you think of it? Milton Beychok 08:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Core List

I guess I just edit first think later. I changed that list for a simple reason really - the worry about what someone looking in would think about our priorities. Gareth Leng 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with the changes. Just musing as to what we actually want to do with such lists. I guess i have not thought about it for a while and your edits jogged my memory of the issues i was wrestling with at the time i contributed to it. Chris Day 20:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

- that's the way to think :-) what's the purpose? Advertise our best and inspire by example must be a part of it. Gareth Leng 20:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Gareth, I couldn't agree more. There are many ways to be exemplary. They include coverage of subjects that simply aren't well covered elsewhere, of potentially substantial interest, and perhaps can make good use of our flexibility of original presentation rather than original research. If the topic is more specialized, good writing, cross-linking, and references can set an example, and one never knows where research will lead: I recently discovered that if one young man had taken one choice offered to him, he who was to become known as Ho Chi Minh might have been political revolution's loss and culinary arts' gain. Great effort in wonkology, however, can reflect on priorities, as well as what might be seen as political correctness. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)