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[http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/libet/ Benjamin Libet's 1983 experiment] detected relevant brain activity ''before'' the subject decided to act. But [http://nro.sagepub.com/content/14/4/319.abstract  similar experiments in 2007 by Marcel Brass and Patrick Haggard] demonstrated that subjects could exercise a last-minute veto. Are these experiments not worth a mention? [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 13:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
[http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/libet/ Benjamin Libet's 1983 experiment] detected relevant brain activity ''before'' the subject decided to act. But [http://nro.sagepub.com/content/14/4/319.abstract  similar experiments in 2007 by Marcel Brass and Patrick Haggard] demonstrated that subjects could exercise a last-minute veto. Are these experiments not worth a mention? [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 13:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:Nick: I'm sure there is a place for a discussion of these experiments in summary form. A proper treatment probably requires an article unto itself. I was unaware of the "veto" demonstration, and Harris' book doesn't mention that in his very protracted discussion of these kind of observations. The paper abstract you linked appears to be less than definitive on the subject, claiming only a heuristic approach for further development.  Do you have some details? [[User:John R. Brews|John R. Brews]] 14:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:Nick: I'm sure there is a place for a discussion of these experiments in summary form. A proper treatment probably requires an article unto itself. I was unaware of the "veto" demonstration, and Harris' book doesn't mention that in his very protracted discussion of these kind of observations. The paper abstract you linked appears to be less than definitive on the subject, claiming only a heuristic approach for further development.  Do you have some details? [[User:John R. Brews|John R. Brews]] 14:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
::All I know about that is what I read in [http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-free-will-collides-with-unconscious-impulses Michael Shermer's piece in Scientific American]. [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 15:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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 Definition:  The intuition, or philosophical doctrine, that one can control one's actions or freely choose among alternatives. [d] [e]
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This needs to begin with a definition; and more generally, see CZ:Article Mechanics. --Larry Sanger 21:30, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

Hope this is looking better. I have also developed it further, but imagine adding behaviourism, existentialism, etc. All suggestions will be welcomed. --John B. Mackenzie 11:05, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

The definition of Gordon H. Clark has been identified. The article appeared before my revisions to be in the camp of determinism, and I revised it to a neutral position. Some categorical statements have been removed or replaced by more moderate claims. Sources have been added: there were none before. John R. Brews 16:18, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Niels Bohr said free will and determinism are complememtary. I don't know whether this is a sufficiently significant point of view to be mentioned here. Peter Jackson 08:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Libet's experiment

Benjamin Libet's 1983 experiment detected relevant brain activity before the subject decided to act. But similar experiments in 2007 by Marcel Brass and Patrick Haggard demonstrated that subjects could exercise a last-minute veto. Are these experiments not worth a mention? Nick Gardner 13:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Nick: I'm sure there is a place for a discussion of these experiments in summary form. A proper treatment probably requires an article unto itself. I was unaware of the "veto" demonstration, and Harris' book doesn't mention that in his very protracted discussion of these kind of observations. The paper abstract you linked appears to be less than definitive on the subject, claiming only a heuristic approach for further development. Do you have some details? John R. Brews 14:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
All I know about that is what I read in Michael Shermer's piece in Scientific American. Nick Gardner 15:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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