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Right (yes, you can find examples of technical help pages that are ''strictly'' technical help), but there is ultimately no clear way to draw the distinction. "Technical instructions" does often blend into policy instructions without any clear line at all. Besides, the word "Help" does not describe technical instructions somehow ''better'' than it describes policy and process instructions. In other words, why call ''technical instructions'' "help," and not the other things people...need help with? This is just a plain old simplification move. We need to do a lot of simplification... --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 20:38, 3 September 2007 (CDT) | Right (yes, you can find examples of technical help pages that are ''strictly'' technical help), but there is ultimately no clear way to draw the distinction. "Technical instructions" does often blend into policy instructions without any clear line at all. Besides, the word "Help" does not describe technical instructions somehow ''better'' than it describes policy and process instructions. In other words, why call ''technical instructions'' "help," and not the other things people...need help with? This is just a plain old simplification move. We need to do a lot of simplification... --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 20:38, 3 September 2007 (CDT) | ||
:I'm all for creating improved systems. My only main thing is that people (I'd say universally) associate "the feeling of being ''stuck''" with "needing ''help''", so at least in so far as designing things in a user-friendly way (e.g., the link on the left) is concerned, the ''term'' ought not be dispensed with. —[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] [[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 21:48, 3 September 2007 (CDT) | :I'm all for creating improved systems, which seems to be the direction of your thinking here. My only main thing is that people (I'd say universally) associate "the feeling of being ''stuck''" with "needing ''help''", so at least in so far as designing things in a user-friendly way (e.g., the link on the left) is concerned, the ''term'' ought not be dispensed with altogether. —[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] [[User talk:Stephen Ewen|(Talk)]] 21:48, 3 September 2007 (CDT) | ||
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New user observation
Hi Larry. Something that struck me as I have been educating myself about CZ these recent days has been the absence of a left menu "Help" link in the basic CZ page template. "Support" was the closest but that was not it. When I have wanted to learn something (either editing tips or policy matters) I have needed to hunt them down. I notice a help section mentioned above but thought it worth mentioning that a 'one-click' "Help" as a single line link at left of every page would really (ahem) help. --Ian Johnson 10:11, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
I ran into the same problem. Seems that all editing help- should be accessible from any edit page. I may have missed it, but I couldn't find editing help until I went to the main list of everything. Thomas Mandel 19:01, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
Help vs. policy
Help v policy - I think there are clear instances of help pages, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words would be a good example. —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 16:45, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
Right (yes, you can find examples of technical help pages that are strictly technical help), but there is ultimately no clear way to draw the distinction. "Technical instructions" does often blend into policy instructions without any clear line at all. Besides, the word "Help" does not describe technical instructions somehow better than it describes policy and process instructions. In other words, why call technical instructions "help," and not the other things people...need help with? This is just a plain old simplification move. We need to do a lot of simplification... --Larry Sanger 20:38, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
- I'm all for creating improved systems, which seems to be the direction of your thinking here. My only main thing is that people (I'd say universally) associate "the feeling of being stuck" with "needing help", so at least in so far as designing things in a user-friendly way (e.g., the link on the left) is concerned, the term ought not be dispensed with altogether. —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 21:48, 3 September 2007 (CDT)