User talk:Pablo Martín Zampini

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Welcome and some questions

I'm a relatively new contributor here so I may not have everything right but I have learned a few things here. The hardest lesson I learned was the exact standards required for uploading photos. All photos uploaded here must show the name of the photographer. Copyright must be compatible with CZ standards. Also, unless you have written the majority of an article you can not copy and paste a complete article into Citizendium. If you have questions, please contact someone on the Editorial Council or a Constable. I hope this helps and welcome!Mary Ash 04:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Some answers and thanks for the welcome

Greetings, Mary Ash. The photographs are all imported from Wikipedia Commons, and I have added all the data available in the separate page of every single file. The names of the author missing are so because that information was not provided by the Wikimedia Commons page of the files. I swear that I uploaded the articles with all my good faith.

I'm the author of almost all the text in the article. I'm quite used to write in the wiki style now, so I prepared the whole article in a .doc file, and then I copied and pasted it here. Thanks for asking.--Pablo Martín Zampini 04:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You must provide a full verifiable name or the photo can not be used. I know as I learned this lesson through much discussion as I was accustomed to posting photos with less strict photo requirements. Also, photos must be released for use at Citizendium or be in the public domain. Public domain photos and articles are for anything 1923 and before unless the copyright was renewed. Please check with a Constable or a member of the EC to confirm this. I repeat photos must include the full name, date photo was taken, and any other pertinent history. Mary Ash 05:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

According to Argentine Law Nº 11,723 in Article 34, all photos become "public domain" after 20 years of its first publication. I was careful seeing that all photos uploaded as PD complied with this law. --Pablo Martín Zampini 05:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You can not use photos here unless the full name and all pertinent information is included. I am sorry. Please do not upload any more photos until an admin reviews this. It will only make more work for all involved and I am sure you want to make this a pleasant experience for all involved. Thanks! Mary Ash 05:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I just looked at the Charly Garcia picture and it only dates from 2005, so clearly it is not in the public domain because of its date. It comes from a government source -- but does that source clearly release ALL their pictures into the public domain? I'm not an expert at all on picture use here at CZ, but I know that Mary ran into a lot of trouble earlier on with pictures that *she* imported (in complete good faith, of course!) and Citizens who *were* experts, or at least who *thought* they were, dissuaded her from using them for one reason or another. I *think* that we can have photographs by Unknown authors IF the picture is otherwise clearly in the public domain. Or if there's some sort of statement from the original publisher that they are waiving copyright, etc. Hayford Peirce 16:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course photographs of Charly García, Soledad Pastorutti, Pérez & Curuchet, and Cristina Fernández with Soda Stereo are not Public Domain; they are too recent. On Argentina's Presidency official website, here's the link to the page that explains that a user of the German Wikipedia (Benutzer:ALE!) wrote to the webmaster asking for permission to use the pictures there.

In accordance with an email discussion with the Secretaría de Medios Andrea Caldararo (logged in the Wikimedia permissions archives as OTRS ticket|859219|2007042610015988, all content at http://www.presidencia.gov.ar/ is available under the Creative Commons attribution license (template:cc-by-2.0). This license requires that the source be cited on all copies of the content. I think this is enough to prove that all photos uploaded from that source could be used with no problems here. Concerning Juan Manuel Fangio's photograph, -which is in PD for it was taken in 1952- I found it in a collection of photographs published by Diario Clarín of Argentina, titled "Photograph in Argentine History", where most of them provided data on the photographer and the source/collection where it was taken from. This photo appears with the label Autor sin identificar (Unidentifed author) and cites the same source I did, Museum "Juan Manuel Fangio". So it is evident that the author of that photo got lost in time; it appears to be no way to know who he/she was. --Pablo Martín Zampini 13:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are certainly right that some photos cannot have the name of the photographer on them. At the WP article on Pancho Gonzales, for instance, I added the photo that they are still using: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pancho_Gonzales_1954.jpg -- Public Domain in Australia for photos is 60 years. I haven't gotten around to putting it into the CZ article linked to above, but I will. So I think that you can use this photo as your guide for what to do with your own.... Hayford Peirce 15:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Contact Milton Beychok: [[1]] to find out how he wants to approach this issue. All I know is that Mr. Beychok "educated" me about having a full name, date, country of publication, etc. He will be best able to assist you with these issues. Thanks! 19:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

A full name isn't always given or available - for example, some of the amazing NASA public domain photos just list "NASA" as the author; other public domain photos just list "US Government". Regards, Anton Sweeney 21:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Your User page

Hi Pablo, I have restored your user page as required by CZ:User pages. Since you have made some extensive edits to the project, we need to keep some record for others of your qualifications. If you are considering leaving the project, please see CZ:Leaving the project for some guidelines about how to go about it and I will do what I can to help. D. Matt Innis 04:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Pointer to reply

Pablo, since I do not know if you follow the discussion on David Finn's talk page I want to point you to my reply there. --Peter Schmitt 22:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)