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All Citizens, including officials regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter, all other clauses of this charter shall still be effectual and be interpreted consistent with law. For example but not as a limitation, Citizens under this Charter shall not be discriminated against on the basis of their age but many nations have laws regarding juvenile or under-age participation online. Such clauses in this charter shall be interpreted consistent with the law.

Agree Russell D. Jones 14:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

What about future amendments.. should we take them into consideration by stating something like the "Charter and future amendments"? D. Matt Innis 21:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Try this:

All Citizens, including officials regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter or its amendments, all other clauses of this charter and/or its amendments shall still be effectual and be implemented consistent with law. For example but not as a limitation, Citizens under this Charter shall not be discriminated against on the basis of their age but many nations have laws regarding juvenile or under-age participation online. Such clauses in this charter shall be implemented consistent with the law.

Agree Russell D. Jones 00:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

One more?? Is there a reason you wanted to leave this one out?

All Citizens, including officials regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter and/or its amendments, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter or its amendments, all other clauses of this charter and/or its amendments shall still be effectual and be implemented consistent with law. For example but not as a limitation, Citizens under this Charter shall not be discriminated against on the basis of their age but many nations have laws regarding juvenile or under-age participation online. Such clauses in this charter shall be implemented consistent with the law.

Agree. D. Matt Innis 02:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If we are to have examples in the Charter, that one about the age limit is probably a very good candidate. However, I think we should not have examples in there. --Daniel Mietchen 23:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That's fine with me. Russell D. Jones 23:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

All Citizens, including officials regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter and/or its amendments, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter or its amendments, all other clauses of this charter and/or its amendments shall still be effectual and be implemented consistent with law.

Agree Russell D. Jones 23:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::Agree D. Matt Innis 01:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree Joe Quick 04:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree Howard C. Berkowitz 05:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Apart from the ugly "and/or", I agree. What about replacing "this Charter and/or its amendments" with "this Charter, including its amendments"? --Daniel Mietchen 07:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's the meaning we want, I think. Agree. -Joe Quick 13:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Agree. D. Matt Innis 14:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

All Citizens, including officials regardless of position or status, shall be bound by this Charter including its amendments, and no referendum or decision of any council or official shall contravene it.

In cases where local, regional, national, or international law voids or limits clauses of this charter or its amendments, all other clauses of this charter and its amendments shall still be effectual and be implemented consistent with law.

Agree. Text is consistent with Daniel's, Matt's, and Joe's vote above Russell D. Jones Russell D. Jones 16:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree. --Howard C. Berkowitz 16:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

There was a typo above. The phrase "including officials" was deleted in earlier versions of this draft, but was not struck in the later versions. I added the article without the phrase. If this bothers a charter member, red-light it and we'll come back. Russell D. Jones 16:19, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree that's even better. D. Matt Innis 17:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree. --Daniel Mietchen 19:55, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree. Joe Quick 16:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)