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:I'm pretty sure it means all articles beginning with the letter in question. There is a list of ''all'' CZ articles, alphabetized. So you're supposed to go through the articles in the letter of your sign-up, check the edit history to see what's going on, and mark for deletion all those which meet the ''delete'' criteria. I guess. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 11:23, 17 February 2007 (CST)
:I'm pretty sure it means all articles beginning with the letter in question. There is a list of ''all'' CZ articles, alphabetized. So you're supposed to go through the articles in the letter of your sign-up, check the edit history to see what's going on, and mark for deletion all those which meet the ''delete'' criteria. I guess. [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 11:23, 17 February 2007 (CST)
Wouldn't workgroup-based responsibility be more appropriate? Making it easier for editors/sysops of a certain number or groups where their focus is. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 11:46, 17 February 2007 (CST)
Right, James, that's what it does mean, and the reason we can't do it by Workgroup is that most of the 3000+ pages in the main article namespace aren't tagged by workgroup.  Besides, these are not decisions that require the expertise of editors. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 12:04, 17 February 2007 (CST)
:Can I mark all top articles that are not live? --[[User:Rilson Versuri|Versuri]] 12:32, 17 February 2007 (CST)
No, not necessarily.  You have to check the page history.  It's possible that someone has worked on an article and neglected to mark it "CZ Live."  Besides, we're going by letter, not by category; it's the only way to be adequately exhaustive.  There are ''some'' live articles we're going to delete, because someone inadvertantly marked it as CZ Live and then did nothing. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 12:33, 17 February 2007 (CST)
Working together with Jim, I browsed through many of the chemistry pages and labeled some of them "Live" because they fit well in the structure of the topic/workgroup-article and did minor adjustments, to make them ready for editing by other authors or editors. They might get inadvertedly deleted where some changes (minor) were applied. On the other hand, there willbe some that are edited in some way, just by lack of time not edited more deeply. Here my "delete in the blind" acts upon. Although I do grant that might that happen a recapture of the WP article will be sufficient in 95% of the cases. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]] | [[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]] 12:38, 17 February 2007 (CST)
:Should I mark articles that have had no edits in the past week and only a few trivial edits, period (e.g., adding or deleting categories)?  For example, <nowiki>[[Quantum chemistry]]</nowiki> when I first went through the 'Q' list [http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Quantum_chemistry&oldid=100006416].
:--[[User:Todd Trimble|Todd Trimble]] 15:00, 17 February 2007 (CST)
Todd--yes, I think so.  If only trivial edits and the article came from WP, it fits clearly in the first category. --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 15:15, 17 February 2007 (CST)
== Is this working as planned? ==
A little log browsing makes me think this Big Speedydelete might not be working as planned, and I thought I'd kick of some discussion about it.  I'm not sure there's anything to "fix" right now.  It's "speedy" after all, and probably will be over before any course changes can be made.  But it seems to me some analysis/discussion might be worth capturing for the future.
The "sign up for a whole letter section" plan seemed to scare people away from signing up, but not from doing the work.  Or did I misanalyze why a lot of sections (right now: A, B and T at least) are having the template applied, but no one is "signed up"?
Some peculiar special exceptions have been thrown:
*[[Quantum chemistry]]
*vipers/asp "special case"
In a case or two, deletion started through a category before analysis was marked complete.
--[[User:Todd Trimble|Todd Trimble]] 15:51, 17 February 2007 (CST)
== ==Delay before actual deletion== ==
Might I suggest that Constables not delete the BSD marked articles until the tag has been up for 3 days. This way, Authors (or others) will see it on their Watch list and can speak up. If it's not on anybody's watch list, then apparently nobody is watching it.
(Note to LS):I'll try to stay away from the vipers!) [[User:James F. Perry|James F. Perry]] 16:52, 17 February 2007 (CST)
== Problem with marking ==
I've had a problem marking articles for the speedydelete, a list is on my talk page. Is this a problem for others? I'll try again tomorrow in any case. [[User:Simen Rustad|Simen Rustad]] 17:04, 17 February 2007 (CST)
== Help? ==
May I ask someone to continue dividing up the "big" letters as I've started to do?  This will make for more tractable tasks.  Make sure you keep the same number of entries in both columns (move the "|" around as necessary).
--[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 11:14, 19 February 2007 (CST)
== Almost done! ==
Yay! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 08:10, 21 February 2007 (CST)
== random article method ==
just hit random article and you'll stumble across more articles for deletion. [[User:Thomas E Kelly|-Tom Kelly]] [[User talk:Thomas E Kelly|(Talk)]]  Make sure you check the history though.  There was a nice edit about leaches that I didn't expect to be there so I didn't mark it. [[User:Thomas E Kelly|-Tom Kelly]] [[User talk:Thomas E Kelly|(Talk)]] 01:56, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:I did indeed. One after about a dozen articles. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:24, 22 February 2007 (CST)

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Shouldn't the sign-up be by Workgroup, rather than by letter? As for those articles not yet placed in a Workgroup, is there a list somewhere? James F. Perry 11:13, 17 February 2007 (CST)

What is the meaning of the A - Z markers?????, I thought I got it until that, now I forgot how to make chocolate of it. Robert Tito | Talk 11:16, 17 February 2007 (CST)

I'm pretty sure it means all articles beginning with the letter in question. There is a list of all CZ articles, alphabetized. So you're supposed to go through the articles in the letter of your sign-up, check the edit history to see what's going on, and mark for deletion all those which meet the delete criteria. I guess. James F. Perry 11:23, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Wouldn't workgroup-based responsibility be more appropriate? Making it easier for editors/sysops of a certain number or groups where their focus is. Robert Tito | Talk 11:46, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Right, James, that's what it does mean, and the reason we can't do it by Workgroup is that most of the 3000+ pages in the main article namespace aren't tagged by workgroup. Besides, these are not decisions that require the expertise of editors. --Larry Sanger 12:04, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Can I mark all top articles that are not live? --Versuri 12:32, 17 February 2007 (CST)

No, not necessarily. You have to check the page history. It's possible that someone has worked on an article and neglected to mark it "CZ Live." Besides, we're going by letter, not by category; it's the only way to be adequately exhaustive. There are some live articles we're going to delete, because someone inadvertantly marked it as CZ Live and then did nothing. --Larry Sanger 12:33, 17 February 2007 (CST) Working together with Jim, I browsed through many of the chemistry pages and labeled some of them "Live" because they fit well in the structure of the topic/workgroup-article and did minor adjustments, to make them ready for editing by other authors or editors. They might get inadvertedly deleted where some changes (minor) were applied. On the other hand, there willbe some that are edited in some way, just by lack of time not edited more deeply. Here my "delete in the blind" acts upon. Although I do grant that might that happen a recapture of the WP article will be sufficient in 95% of the cases. Robert Tito | Talk 12:38, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Should I mark articles that have had no edits in the past week and only a few trivial edits, period (e.g., adding or deleting categories)? For example, [[Quantum chemistry]] when I first went through the 'Q' list [1].
--Todd Trimble 15:00, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Todd--yes, I think so. If only trivial edits and the article came from WP, it fits clearly in the first category. --Larry Sanger 15:15, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Is this working as planned?

A little log browsing makes me think this Big Speedydelete might not be working as planned, and I thought I'd kick of some discussion about it. I'm not sure there's anything to "fix" right now. It's "speedy" after all, and probably will be over before any course changes can be made. But it seems to me some analysis/discussion might be worth capturing for the future.

The "sign up for a whole letter section" plan seemed to scare people away from signing up, but not from doing the work. Or did I misanalyze why a lot of sections (right now: A, B and T at least) are having the template applied, but no one is "signed up"?

Some peculiar special exceptions have been thrown:

In a case or two, deletion started through a category before analysis was marked complete.

--Todd Trimble 15:51, 17 February 2007 (CST)

==Delay before actual deletion==

Might I suggest that Constables not delete the BSD marked articles until the tag has been up for 3 days. This way, Authors (or others) will see it on their Watch list and can speak up. If it's not on anybody's watch list, then apparently nobody is watching it.

(Note to LS):I'll try to stay away from the vipers!) James F. Perry 16:52, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Problem with marking

I've had a problem marking articles for the speedydelete, a list is on my talk page. Is this a problem for others? I'll try again tomorrow in any case. Simen Rustad 17:04, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Help?

May I ask someone to continue dividing up the "big" letters as I've started to do? This will make for more tractable tasks. Make sure you keep the same number of entries in both columns (move the "|" around as necessary).

--Larry Sanger 11:14, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Almost done!

Yay! --Larry Sanger 08:10, 21 February 2007 (CST)

random article method

just hit random article and you'll stumble across more articles for deletion. -Tom Kelly (Talk) Make sure you check the history though. There was a nice edit about leaches that I didn't expect to be there so I didn't mark it. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 01:56, 21 February 2007 (CST)

I did indeed. One after about a dozen articles. Stephen Ewen 02:24, 22 February 2007 (CST)