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I wonder if this article should be moved to [[Colonial North America]].  As a Latin Americanist, I immediately think of the lands conquered by Hernán Cortés and Franciscio Pizarro when I see the title "Colonial America." So let's either include Latin America here (an almost unreasonably large task) or split it up into [[Colonial North America]] and [[Colonial Latin America]] (and perhaps [[Colonial Caribbean]] or some such), yes? --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 14:23, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
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::Colonial America is the usual term. Anyone who is confused will become clear in 10 seconds, so there is no likelihood of misunderstanding. America of course means not the continent, but the area that became the United States of America. All terms have problems ("Latin America" was coined long after the colonial era, for example.)  For example, here are all the recent books since 1999 (in ABC-CLIO which covers US and Latin America) with "colonial America" in the title. All but two (8, 13 in bold) conform to our usage here:
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#Unconquered: The Iroquois League at War in Colonial America.
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#Slavery in Colonial America, 1619-1776.
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#Learning to Read and Write in Colonial America.
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#White Devil: A True Story of War, Savagery, and Vengeance in Colonial America.
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#The Jews in Colonial America.
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#Okfuskee: A Creek Indian Town in Colonial America.
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#Dry Bones and Indian Sermons: Praying Indians in Colonial America
#'''Comercio y Poder en América Colonial: Los Consulados de Comerciantes, Siglos XVII-XIX  [Commerce and power in colonial America: the merchant guilds, 17th-19th centuries comerciantes, 17th-19th centuries].  Madrid: Iberoamericana, 2003'''
#Colonial America: From Jamestown to Yorktown.
# A Companion to Colonial America.
#Artists of Colonial America.
#Colonial America: A History in Documents
#'''Soldiers of God: The Jesuits in Colonial America, 1565-1767'''.
#The Literatures of Colonial America: An Anthology.
#From Strangers to Citizens: The Integration of Immigrant Communities in Britain, Ireland and Colonial America, 1550-1750.
# Medicine in Colonial America.
# Spiritual Encounters: Interactions between Christianity and Native Religions in Colonial America.
#The Human Tradition in Colonial America.
#Authority and Female Authorship in Colonial America.
#[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 15:59, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
::to follow up, the term "Colonial Latin America" is the standard usage (again using ABC-CLIO):
#Art of Colonial Latin America. 
#Beyond Black and Red: African-Native Relations in Colonial Latin America. 
#Infamous Desire: Male Homosexuality in Colonial Latin America. 
#Colonialism Past and Present: Reading and Writing about Colonial Latin America Today. 
#The Human Tradition in Colonial Latin America. 
#The Women of Colonial Latin America. 
#The Faces of Honor: Sex, Shame, and Violence in Colonial Latin America. 
#The Countryside in Colonial Latin America. 
#Coded Encounters: Writing, Gender, and Ethnicity in Colonial Latin America.  [Trade and markets in colonial Latin America]. 
#Colonial Latin America. 
#Sexuality and Marriage in Colonial Latin America. 
#Cities and Society in Colonial Latin America. 
#The Cambridge History of Latin America. Vol. 1-2: Colonial Latin America. 
#Essays in the Political, Economic, and Social History of Colonial Latin America. 
#Essays in Political, Economic, and Social History of Colonial Latin America. 
#Social Fabric and Spatial Structure in Colonial Latin America. 
#[[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 16:06, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 
== Where are the citations? ==
 
This would seem to be  a valuable account, except that its total lack of citations leaves one wondering whether it is fact or fantasy. It's a pity that it has been left in that state. [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 05:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:Except that most of it (99%+) has been reviewed by Jensen, who is an expert.  Trust the expert.  If you want to check his facts, be my guest.  The real issue is that authorship (authority?) is so hidden on a wiki.  [[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 13:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:: I know that, but readers will not. They would be reassured if it were approved, though. [[User:Nick Gardner|Nick Gardner]] 15:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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I wonder if this article should be moved to Colonial North America. As a Latin Americanist, I immediately think of the lands conquered by Hernán Cortés and Franciscio Pizarro when I see the title "Colonial America." So let's either include Latin America here (an almost unreasonably large task) or split it up into Colonial North America and Colonial Latin America (and perhaps Colonial Caribbean or some such), yes? --Joe Quick 14:23, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

Colonial America is the usual term. Anyone who is confused will become clear in 10 seconds, so there is no likelihood of misunderstanding. America of course means not the continent, but the area that became the United States of America. All terms have problems ("Latin America" was coined long after the colonial era, for example.) For example, here are all the recent books since 1999 (in ABC-CLIO which covers US and Latin America) with "colonial America" in the title. All but two (8, 13 in bold) conform to our usage here:
  1. Unconquered: The Iroquois League at War in Colonial America.
  2. Slavery in Colonial America, 1619-1776.
  3. Learning to Read and Write in Colonial America.
  4. White Devil: A True Story of War, Savagery, and Vengeance in Colonial America.
  5. The Jews in Colonial America.
  6. Okfuskee: A Creek Indian Town in Colonial America.
  7. Dry Bones and Indian Sermons: Praying Indians in Colonial America
  8. Comercio y Poder en América Colonial: Los Consulados de Comerciantes, Siglos XVII-XIX [Commerce and power in colonial America: the merchant guilds, 17th-19th centuries comerciantes, 17th-19th centuries]. Madrid: Iberoamericana, 2003
  9. Colonial America: From Jamestown to Yorktown.
  10. A Companion to Colonial America.
  11. Artists of Colonial America.
  12. Colonial America: A History in Documents
  13. Soldiers of God: The Jesuits in Colonial America, 1565-1767.
  14. The Literatures of Colonial America: An Anthology.
  15. From Strangers to Citizens: The Integration of Immigrant Communities in Britain, Ireland and Colonial America, 1550-1750.
  16. Medicine in Colonial America.
  17. Spiritual Encounters: Interactions between Christianity and Native Religions in Colonial America.
  18. The Human Tradition in Colonial America.
  19. Authority and Female Authorship in Colonial America.
  20. Richard Jensen 15:59, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
to follow up, the term "Colonial Latin America" is the standard usage (again using ABC-CLIO):
  1. Art of Colonial Latin America.
  2. Beyond Black and Red: African-Native Relations in Colonial Latin America.
  3. Infamous Desire: Male Homosexuality in Colonial Latin America.
  4. Colonialism Past and Present: Reading and Writing about Colonial Latin America Today.
  5. The Human Tradition in Colonial Latin America.
  6. The Women of Colonial Latin America.
  7. The Faces of Honor: Sex, Shame, and Violence in Colonial Latin America.
  8. The Countryside in Colonial Latin America.
  9. Coded Encounters: Writing, Gender, and Ethnicity in Colonial Latin America. [Trade and markets in colonial Latin America].
  10. Colonial Latin America.
  11. Sexuality and Marriage in Colonial Latin America.
  12. Cities and Society in Colonial Latin America.
  13. The Cambridge History of Latin America. Vol. 1-2: Colonial Latin America.
  14. Essays in the Political, Economic, and Social History of Colonial Latin America.
  15. Essays in Political, Economic, and Social History of Colonial Latin America.
  16. Social Fabric and Spatial Structure in Colonial Latin America.
  17. Richard Jensen 16:06, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

Where are the citations?

This would seem to be a valuable account, except that its total lack of citations leaves one wondering whether it is fact or fantasy. It's a pity that it has been left in that state. Nick Gardner 05:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Except that most of it (99%+) has been reviewed by Jensen, who is an expert. Trust the expert. If you want to check his facts, be my guest. The real issue is that authorship (authority?) is so hidden on a wiki. Russell D. Jones 13:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I know that, but readers will not. They would be reassured if it were approved, though. Nick Gardner 15:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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